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Post by luxuriousferret on Mar 10, 2010 23:32:59 GMT -5
Just out of courisouty I am wondering if this is accapctable if it came down to this or kibble www.amazon.com/Paw-Naturaw-Organic-Medallions-56-Ounce/dp/B0016N8BYM/ref=pd_sim_gro_3And just in case you have a hard time finding the ingredients, here they are: Ingredients Organic Chicken and ground organic chicken bone, organic chicken liver, organic broccoli, organic carrot, organic celery, organic apple, organic squash, organic sweet potato, organic chicken gizzard, organic flax seed, organic safflower oil, organic kelp seaweed, organic chicken heart, organic wheat grass, organic parsley, organic cranberry, organic lecithin, sea salt, zinc proteinate, vitamin E supplement, copper proteinate, manganese proteinate, calcium iodate, and vitamin D3 supplement. I know it has a lot of veggies and stuff in it, but it seems like it would be better than zupreem kibble. And it is complete? Thanks
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Post by luxuriousferret on Mar 10, 2010 23:33:59 GMT -5
Also, I saw the same thing labeled for cats, same product, so if that helps any.
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Post by sherrylynne on Mar 10, 2010 23:59:22 GMT -5
After checking it out- I think they'd still need a taurine supplement.
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Post by Heather on Mar 11, 2010 0:22:19 GMT -5
I, personally would be rather careful....there are a lot of things in there that aren't particularly good for ferrets...carrots, apples, sweet potatoes....that's a lot of natural sugars being used there. The broccoli is not very digestible even by dogs much less carnivores. Then we're into the supplements.....Flax is awesome but for us, not ferrets they have considerable difficulty processing the oil, they can't process the seeds (flax is also notorious for causing itchies in a lot of furkids, note not all), safflower oil is another veggie oil and is difficult for them to process. I've used kelp on occasion but there are cons in feeding this....wheat grass?? again a ferret cannot process this. Cranberries actually can cause a toxic effect in carnivores and is usually only adviced to be fed while under the supervision of a homeopath or naturalpath. Parsley is a dieretic, ferrets don't need a dieretic unless you're fighting cardiomyopathy...salt?. Personally, I would be looking somewhere else. Archetypal has to be better. I would look for something with a lot less in the veggie dept and a lot less herbal additives. This has been created to appeal to the human pallet, not a carnivores. There's a big deal about things being organic but that doesn't matter at all if the organic additives are going to actually do damage . ciao
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Post by luxuriousferret on Mar 11, 2010 10:00:30 GMT -5
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Post by odin on Mar 11, 2010 13:09:35 GMT -5
Several people on here have used Wysong A1 with great success. I think that the two types are meant to provide diversity in the diet. After all, if a doctor told you that for the rest of your life everything you needed to stay healthy could be found in a bag full of crunchy little brown pellets, you'd think he was crazy. It's really no different for our pets. Balanced, meat based diets with as little processing as possible and as close to zero plant based fillers as possible is the way to go. Personally, I wish i could supplement my monsters raw diet with wysong, because it's a good product and it is convenient. But alas, cassi vomits if even the slightest amount of the stuff even touches her tongue.
I've only heard of one other ferret on the forum having trouble with it though. I am sadly owned by one of the few ferrets that can't eat wysong. I would give it a try.
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Post by luxuriousferret on Mar 15, 2010 10:03:09 GMT -5
Do you guys think that the wysong ferret stuff would give me some benefits of raw? And should I order the archeytype 1 or 2?
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Post by odin on Mar 15, 2010 11:59:47 GMT -5
Personally, I would go with Arch I. Arch two has rice as one of the first four ingredients (ingredients are always listed from most to least, first four being the biggest players). Then it lists other grains including corn. Arch I lists no grains or starches at all, much better for digestion. I know that Sherrylynne uses Arch I with great success. If my little girl could keep the stuff down, I would definitely be using arch I.
It also comes in a form that you can work with. It can be given as is, rehydrated or sprinkled over other food.
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Post by lnsybean44 on Mar 23, 2010 17:11:09 GMT -5
As far as the paw naturaw in your link, I would steer clear. The ones for dogs contain about 16% veggie matter. EDIT: I just realized its frozen, not freeze dried. The ones marketed for cats have only about 5% veggie matter etc. Heather has already given you a good break down of what each extra additive can do. At 16% it can get dangerous, but in my mind at 5% the effects should be bad. You see the same sorts of things in freeze dried. Wysong is good, Stella and Chewy's and Animal Food Service are also good. Check out Casey's Hidden Pantry. www.caseyshiddenpantry.com/
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Post by sherrylynne on Mar 24, 2010 18:29:57 GMT -5
I'm actually surprised Wysong's has put the second one out at all, let alone for ferrets. I mean, brown rice, wheat, corn, oat groats, salt, plums, garlic, black pepper??? I'd rather feed Evo than the Wysong's 2! And they are both kibble. I'd really steer clear of the second!
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Post by spiritualtramp on Mar 25, 2010 12:52:21 GMT -5
I've always felt really surprised about that, too, Sherry. I always look at it and think, Oh Wysong! And then I read the label again and say, "Ew, Wysong!"
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Post by sherrylynne on Mar 26, 2010 20:03:00 GMT -5
I KNOW!!! When I think Wysong's(even the kibble version), I think "great!". Then I look at those ingredients, and I'm quite frankly disgusted!
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