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Post by skizzy928 on Apr 30, 2009 14:41:56 GMT -5
Samurai is better today. He's much better haha!
Well, both of the kids are eating just fine. My mom mixed the turkey and chicken together and both of them seem to like it. I'm going to try JUST turkey soon.
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Post by cristina on Apr 30, 2009 16:28:49 GMT -5
Thats great! and Im glad hes better, I mean it will probably happen every now and then where they may have loose poops...just warning you, lol Also, my babies have loose poops regularly (since they eat alota soup, becuase they wont eat organ meat whole so I have to grind it up with egg and duk soup)...so its nothing to be too concerned about, its also all about what they have ate as well...for future reference
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Post by skizzy928 on Apr 30, 2009 21:31:30 GMT -5
I am so happy right now! 1) I got a FN 142 cage. 2) Samurai refused to eat his kibble! I offered him some and he just spat it out, so I tried to same with some of the raw ground and he ate it up!
Bonsai is more stubborn and I still have to encourage her a little bit to get her to eat her kibble+Ground but after I do she chows down on it.
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Post by cristina on Apr 30, 2009 22:09:29 GMT -5
I told u the young ones are really easy!!! they take to it like a baby does to candy!!! Thats great news!
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Post by skizzy928 on Apr 30, 2009 22:17:34 GMT -5
ohhh I'm just ecstatic! I'll try putting almost all raw in his food bowl tomorrow and maybe Bonsai will follow. (haha I thought it would be vice versa)
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Post by cristina on May 1, 2009 14:47:01 GMT -5
No, its the young ones that dont have a developed strict appetite yet so thats y.....you can even start cutting up very small chunks of chicken, beef, turkey, pork, etc... and see if he will eat them (try with crushed kibble too), roll the small chunks in very fine crushed kibble and see if he'll eat them...it sounds like he will be a fast switch so its good to push him now into raw while hes still accepting of different foods! Yaaaaaahh
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Post by skizzy928 on May 1, 2009 21:46:21 GMT -5
This morning I put basically only ground chicken and Samurai ate it right up. He even dug out the few pieces of kibble that I had put in there! I'll put some cut up chicken tonight. Next day that we have steak here I'll cut off a raw piece before it's cooked and see how that goes.
Bonsai is accepting me putting more ground in her food which is good. For a while I had been putting too much and she kinda stopped eating but I caught on.
I ordered that 5lb sampler pack from Hare-Today yesterday. So I guess even though it's ground I may be able to go some where with it?
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Post by cristina on May 1, 2009 23:26:28 GMT -5
oh yeah, I really like that store..and when they start eating more raw (or even now especially for Samurai) you can order all different kinds of meat from there (the kinds you dont normally find in stores, such as goat, ect..) This is such great news! Especially too since Samurai is rejecting kibble, looks like he knows whats good for him (from natural instinct)!
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Post by skizzy928 on May 1, 2009 23:42:49 GMT -5
I'm so proud of my little man! I need to find some kind of soupie to give him though, he's awfully skinny . Oh! I put in the cut up chicken just now I put tiny little cubes and some little chunks so it ranges in size along with some ground and a LITTLE tiny bit of crushed kibble so I'm going to see if he eats that. He CLEANED his plate last time so.. haha. I'm hoping that Bonsai will go and take a bite of it!
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Post by skizzy928 on May 2, 2009 11:17:18 GMT -5
I checked Samurai's plate this morning. Nothing but a bit of crushed kibble left! Bonsai's plate was untouched..I'm getting worried. I made that Uncle Jim's soupie for now, I mixed some chicken in with it. So yeah.
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Post by cristina on May 2, 2009 14:12:59 GMT -5
Good for Samurai! I mean it might take a bit with Bonsai...theres no need to get worried about an untouched plate, since she has eaten it in the past without throwing a it, maybe take a small step back and put in a little less ground again (its ok to take steps back, I had to alot....they always go forward again at some point, it just takes a bit of coaxing) One thing that I used to use (and sometimes do from time to time) for building weight on them is making duk soup and also adding in KMR Second Step powder (for kittens), you can find it at any pet store usually.....its just like giving them cream (but without the bad stuff in it, that carrageenan stuff), and it helps them gain weight. Another thing to do (since they arent eating bone yet, and its a vital part of their diet..) grind up an egg shell (shell or whole, or just shell and yolk....just not too much egg white) and some chicken hearts and livers then mix with some duk soup and KMR, and this is a great soup for sources of calcium, organs and other vital nutrients that are essential for growth and matenience for good health. (maybe start out with 1 chicken heart and 1 liver so they arent wary of it at first b/c its quite potent for them when they havent had it b4) One more thing that is great for them, that some ferrets love but some dont (only one of my babies loves them though), for treats, is the dehydrated (100% pure) liver treats..they are for dogs but they r great for ferts too.
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Post by skizzy928 on May 2, 2009 21:07:52 GMT -5
I think Bonsai caught on! She ate ONLY her ground today! I'm so happy!
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Post by cristina on May 3, 2009 11:43:56 GMT -5
Thats good!, then take away the kibble completely with the ground....next (whenever possible) start to cut up small chunks of raw whatever (chicken, turkey, pork, beef, rabbit, etc..) and crush kibble very fine and roll pieces in it and serve and see how she takes to it. You can still feed the ground as well in addition to the chunks....I would start switching up different types of ground to get them acquainted with other types of meat so they learn to like all kinds. You can also start to add in supplements to the ground (like calcium and such) so until they start eating bone, they are still getting the nutrients of bone (since bone is VERY important in their diet). To make the calcium supplement you save a bunch of egg shells then put them on a tray and bake them for just about 10 min on 300-350 degrees in the oven (it dries the slime film in the egg and dries out the shell) then put in a blender and ground up very fine. When you add it into the meat just put about 1/2 a teaspoon to a teaspoon in. (you dont have to do this every day....just about every other to every two days, just so they are getting calcium b/c its essential, especially right now)
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Post by skizzy928 on May 4, 2009 14:27:22 GMT -5
Agh! Bonsai is taking 100 steps back! >^< She's refusing her meat. So I'm going back to mixing the ground w/ kibble..
As for Samurai, he just EATS EATS EATS and EATS. He can finish off a whole baggie of chopped chicken in a few minutes and still be hungry. I don't know how much to feed him at this point!
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Post by cristina on May 4, 2009 15:43:56 GMT -5
its ok, taking steps back is perfectly normal! just go back to what she IS comfortable with...sometimes they just have those kinda days If he is eating well and eats all and wants more than give him more (the only time they have eaten too much is when they vomit after, which is rare but can happen and its not a big deal, next time you'll know it was too much) if he's eating this well, then I would start him on bone in meat now, get some chicken legs, and wings (cut up wings into sections, I usualy cut 1 wing into 3 pieces) for the chicken legs just cut some of the meat to the point where its "hanging off the bone" then he will understand the concept of "ripping" the meat off the bone and hopefully he will take to the bone just like the chunks!!!! Im sooo proud!!!!
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