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Post by Forum Administrator on Nov 16, 2008 1:07:49 GMT -5
So these last few days have been crazy for me. I was away from HF, got my computer repaired, and..... Tim and I finally got our dog!!!!! I introduce to you...Copernicus! Copee for short aka Co-pupper-cus: He is a 9 week old Papillon. We drove all the way into the middle of nowhere in MO to get him. He was adopted off craigslist. He was a suprise gift for a woman who didn't want him. He came from a breeder, but I highly doubt it was a "good" papillon breeder, I have not heard of any in the Springfield area (where he supposedly came from). He came with me to work (I work at my vet's office) and got his second round of puppy shots. We plan to have him vaccinated following the usual protocol, but after his initial shots I think the only thing we'll vaccinate for is Rabies (3 year vaccine). He has already started on a raw diet, and he LOVES his Fugue (and Fugue loves him). Mizu is a little unsure, he is a little scared of dogs. Copee is very gently though, and I'm sure he'll come around soon. We are working to make Mizu comfortable around our puppers. Copernicus is currently being crate and potty trained. He is doing great. Potty training sucks, but we are getting the hang of it. He only cried in his crate the first night. He doesnt cry anymore. We've only had him since Wed and he is already beginning to come to his name. Once he finished his shots series he will be enrolled in a "puppy manners' class at my vet hospital. So without further ado I introduce my little love bug......       Videos of him eating raw meat and him playing with Fugue are coming soon!!! |
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Post by Forum Administrator on Nov 16, 2008 1:34:29 GMT -5
Fugue and Copee playing:  BTW- The wires you see in this video are now all put up so puppy can't chew on them  |
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Post by Forum Administrator on Nov 16, 2008 1:54:00 GMT -5
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Post by cloudtickler on Nov 16, 2008 3:38:50 GMT -5
 He is so adorable, and look at how much he loves that raw meat!! Wonderful 
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Post by sherrylynne on Nov 16, 2008 11:29:19 GMT -5
He is so cute! . I love the video of Copee and Fugue playing, they are having a blast  |
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Post by Forum Administrator on Nov 18, 2008 0:51:25 GMT -5
Well he is doing great and adjusting well. He sleeps in his crate with the ferrets! He loves them very much. Tim is with him all day (he is currently not working but starts his new job on Thursday.) Luckily Tim's job offers flexible hours, so for the most part, one of us will be home with Copee. I'm sure every now and then there might be a time where Copee would be alone during the day, but I found out that I can bring him to work with me! Yay!  We are also looking into doggy day care (for the future) and having Copee spend the day with Tim's sister's dog, Charlie (a Pomeranian-Chihuahua mix). Copee and Charlie met today and LOVE each other. Despite our very busy schedules Copee will always be attended to and cared for, we are very blessed. He will never spend the day locked away in his crate. |
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Post by weloveourweasels on Nov 18, 2008 3:41:46 GMT -5
 I'm so glad it all worked out for you. Fugue and him next to eachother make copee look really small and Fugue look huge. I had to keep reminding myself he was a small breed puppy lol. Hopefully Mizu will come around. I'm sure he is still a bit traumatized from the dog mauling incident.
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Post by Chelsea on Nov 18, 2008 6:58:40 GMT -5
Hes so cute  You're so lucky to get a puppy, i want another dog so bad  Its awesome that you rescued him. It sucks that his "breeder" is probably a puppy mill or BYB. How long did it take to introduce him to raw? he looks like he loves it. |
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Post by Forum Administrator on Nov 18, 2008 17:10:39 GMT -5
It sucks that his "breeder" is probably a puppy mill or BYB. How long did it take to introduce him to raw? he looks like he loves it. Luckily we know he's not from a puppy mill, but he IS from a BYB. He is not AKC, he came with APRI registration. I threw it out once we got home, that means nothing to me. Luckily, paps are a relatively healthy breed. We'll be watching his knee caps (they are prone to luxating patellas) and his eyes (prone to PRA--progressive renal atrophy) but hopefully he'll turn out and be healthy. Oh, and Mizu is finally starting to come around. He wont play with Copee, but he will sleep with him. We're getting there. |
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Post by aleronferrets on Nov 18, 2008 19:48:28 GMT -5
Very cute puppy - Paps are my favorite toy breed by far. Good to hear you are doing PK class Does the doggy daycare in your area have separate areas for big and small dogs? Have you researched the vaccination issue for puppies? The normal protocol is a 5 - 8 way combo vaccine every 2-3 weeks. I'd suggest if you want to take a more holistic approach with this puppy to research the issue before taking him to the vet. Most of the vaccine vets suggest for puppies are not really needed and not surprisingly, most puppies are way overvaccinated. And combo vaccines have their own set of problems. Are you on the BeyondVaccination list? If not, you might want to check it out. It is by far the best holistic pet care list I have seen and is moderated to ensure that that the info posted is fact (and not emotion) based. "We don't repeat vaccinations for parvo and distemper because we need vaccines more than once to form immunity. They are repeated for two basic reasons only: Habit, and to catch those few individuals who for some reason don't respond to the first vaccination. A single immunizing dose of a modified live virus vaccine - in other words, one vaccine that works - will form long term, probably lifetime, immunity to parvo and distemper. (Kirk's Current Veterinary Therapy XIII; 2000; "Vaccines and Vaccinations: Issue for the 21st Century", Richard B. Ford and Ronald D. Schultz; (Kirk's Current Veterinary Therapy XI, "Canine and Feline Vaccines," Phipps, Schultz; R.D. Schultz, "Considerations in Designing Effective and Safe Vaccination Programs for Dogs," May 2000; Schultz, "Duration of Immunity to Canine Vaccines: What We Know and Don't Know.") We don't need to keep repeating the vaccines to know if they worked, either. Although titers as a measure of ongoing immunity aren't all that useful, as a measure of whether or not an animal formed immunity from a recent vaccination, they are very reliable. ("Vaccines and Vaccinations: Issue for the 21st Century", Richard B. Ford and Ronald D. Schultz. Kirk's Current Veterinary Therapy XIII, 2000.) Since it takes 7-10 days for the immunity to form, if you test titers ten days after a parvo and/or distemper vaccine, you will know if the puppy had an immunizing response. You don't need to guess. If your puppy already seroconverted due to the vaccines he or she already was given, there is no reason or benefit to repeat them. She's already immune, and she won't get "more immune." There is no "booster" effect, because the antibodies from the first vaccine will wipe out the vaccine virus, just like maternal antibody does. (Schultz, R.D., "Current and Future Canine and Feline Vaccination Programs." Vet Med 3: No. 3, 233-254, 1998.)" www.caberfeidh.com/PuppyVax.htmwww.weim.net/emberweims/Vaccine.html |
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Post by razzlette on Nov 19, 2008 14:20:50 GMT -5
Aww I love the video! lol something seems wrong when your ferret is bigger than your dog lol. Na I want another dog, a small one. Kodie is about the size of a German Shepard. |
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Post by bigsis7 on Nov 19, 2008 15:18:36 GMT -5
The video was adorable!! Copee's so cute!!! Better watch out or I may steal him from you . Lol! |
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Post by Forum Administrator on Nov 20, 2008 2:34:49 GMT -5
Does the doggy daycare in your area have separate areas for big and small dogs?
Not sure, but he'll only be going if they have a small dog ONLY area.
He's got his first set of shots and we are still thinking about how we want to proceed. We were thinking of finishing off the puppy series and then never re-vaxing just titering, but we arent positive.
I will certainly check out the Beyond Vaccines group you posted. We might just not finish his puppy shots. We have until December 11th before his next puppy shot would be due so thats plenty of time to evaluate the issue further.
We want to compete in flyball with our pup (once he's grown) I hope they will accept titers instead of vaccines. If they dont, then it looks like we wont be playing flyball.
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Post by aleronferrets on Nov 21, 2008 13:01:29 GMT -5
Does the doggy daycare in your area have separate areas for big and small dogs? Not sure, but he'll only be going if they have a small dog ONLY area. He's got his first set of shots and we are still thinking about how we want to proceed. We were thinking of finishing off the puppy series and then never re-vaxing just titering, but we arent positive. I will certainly check out the Beyond Vaccines group you posted. We might just not finish his puppy shots. We have until December 11th before his next puppy shot would be due so thats plenty of time to evaluate the issue further. We want to compete in flyball with our pup (once he's grown) I hope they will accept titers instead of vaccines. If they dont, then it looks like we wont be playing flyball. I really think you'd really like the BeyondVaccination group. Have you considered having him titered on the 11th? The only really important vaccine for puppies is parvo (and in some areas, maybe distemper), so you could always titer just for that. Flyball is fun and teams always need little, ball driven dogs as "height dogs". Unlike ferret shows, dog shows do not require proof of vaccines to attend. Some training places can be strict on it, some can be pretty open. I always think a "don't ask, don't tell" policy is best whenever possible. Once you are in a club or a regular student at a training place, they are not as likely to pressure you for updated records. If it is a strict place though, there are still ways around it |
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Post by cloudtickler on Nov 21, 2008 18:15:27 GMT -5
We looked into Flyball before doing Agility with my parent's standard poodle. Shadow will be doing Agility once we complete his service dog training, which should be by february. (We're trying to get the CGC done this year but he's still nervous with male judges.) Our Agility club in Tukwila allows titers in form of vax proof. I'd think there'd be others too. |
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