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Post by AnimalFarm2006 on Jan 10, 2011 14:16:59 GMT -5
So Monster went down hill big time yesterday. The past three days his blood suger was in the high 50's. I skipped a day of testing due to not being able to get his blood. And last night I took it a got a reading of 48. He than went downhill in my arms. Glass eyed, limp, etc.
I brought him back and took him to the vet early this morning for a check up. My most ferrtie vet said to give him pred twice a day, I already do, so he than said diaoxide. It's a little expensive but I can get it for roughly 30-40 bucks on a certain website.
What I need to know is that if this medicine creates the majority of the ferrets not want to eat...How in the world can you keep them healthy on it?
Monster wanted to give up last night but I told him not too and to think about dingo. I want to do whats best for him but at the same time I'm skeptical about the medicine.
I am googling it but some personal experience would be better. Monster's last attack was in september. He's on 0.6 in the am, and 0.3 in the pm of prednasolone. Is 0.12 the limit? I'm giving him another 0.3 in the pm untill I can get the medication for him.
Also..How often do you check the glucose levels when he is on this stuff? Every few days..when he looks ill..etc.
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Post by Heather on Jan 10, 2011 15:54:26 GMT -5
What is your break down .6 ?? I have to give Calypso .25 cc twice daily. Why the funky split .6 and .3?? It should be split evenly. What did the vet tell you your options are? Can you give him more? I've heard of actually resorting to TID (3x daily) vs BID (2x daily). I've never heard of a split like Monster is getting. I've heard of an alternative but I know nothing about it. Calypso is my first and only insulinoma. Most of what I know is researched. What you should do is take the questions you're asking here and take it up with your vet. Did he not give you a writ or prescription for the diaxide? plus instructions about it? ciao
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Post by AnimalFarm2006 on Jan 10, 2011 18:30:28 GMT -5
Everyone keeps asking about the funky split. I thought it was normal till now.... My non expert vet did that because he didn't feel it was safe to put it up any more than 0.3 cc a time.
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Post by miamiferret2 on Jan 10, 2011 22:39:17 GMT -5
i maxed out with pred at .75 ml's twice a day. my ferret was just getting huge (belly) and it caused major muscle deterioration. we added the diazoxide (proglycem) b/c the pred was not managing his bg very well. it never did. the diazoxide we started at .2 ml twice a day. it worked GREAT and it did not decrease his appetite at all. i always gave him soupies first and then his pred and diazoxide. As for the bg testing, you really can't fast a ferret that has insulinoma for four hours. well, you should not fast him for four hours if he has been crashing the way you say. but i would test my ferret once a week and then also if i saw that he was "off" i would check his bg. my vet was recommending going up on the diazoxide in increments of .2 mls. i got up to .6 ml of diazoxide. i had to put him to sleep in sept b/c he was just a train wreck.
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Post by miamiferret2 on Jan 10, 2011 22:43:14 GMT -5
that is a great price for diazoxide. i would pay $80
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Post by AnimalFarm2006 on Jan 11, 2011 10:25:04 GMT -5
Last night was another rough night. He was walking back and forth with his head into the ground. He has cat's on both eyes anad is just skin and bones. He also is dehydrated.
But the worst part of it was when I help him and he just layed there looking at me. I want to try the new medication. But it means putting him on ulcer medications as well.
He doesn't want to eat long and has isolated himself from the others. They are usualy in a ball but this time he is a few inchs away.
I look at him and think it's time. But my logical side thinks that maybe the ulcer, sore throat, and dehydrated is making him feel too upset to do anything with anyone. I worry that last nights pacing with his nose down is so brain damage.
I also have to tell myself he hasn't had major seizures, liver dmage, etc. He can't be ready unless he's hit that point..
But his look tells otherwize.
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Post by AnimalFarm2006 on Jan 11, 2011 10:28:22 GMT -5
and too make me even more stressed. Someone ate the ruber peices from my bg gauge.
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Post by Heather on Jan 11, 2011 11:36:57 GMT -5
If Monster is dehydrated you need to get him to a vet ...NOW. He will need sub-Q fluids (unless you know how to administer them on your own). You cannot rehydrate orally once dehydration sets in. If hes dehydrated he will feel weak, neauseaus, and his organs will go into failure. He will not eat and he will even fight you if you try to get fluids into him. Youre going to have to make a decision. This is a harsh way to die. I know what Im saying may seem harsh but its the only thing to do. This is not something that you can sit and do the wait and see what happens next. If you do not want to put him on any more meds, you feel that hes been through enough then give him the gift and release him . I dont want you to think Im being mean, Im not. Monster is very very sick now. He needs medical attention, he needs medicines so he can be comfortable or he needs you to be very, very brave. Im sorry its a horrible place to be but thats where youre at right now . I will light a candle for Monster and one for you, to provide you with the strength to make whichever decision is in the best interest of your baby boy. ciao
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Post by AnimalFarm2006 on Jan 11, 2011 12:13:16 GMT -5
Yeah I just got done talking to the vet. I couldn't get fluids into him through sub-q. I had to learn with dingo. And no your not mean. I knew all this in the begining but didn't want to believe it. I look at him and weep with how much pain he's in.
He's going in for the final appointment today at 4:50. He's just in so much pain. He has ulcers. He can't stand without being wobbly. All that he can do is cuddle and sleep or sit in my arms and look at me. I can hold him and just cry because he's in tht much pain. Too see him struggling to just be coherient....
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Post by rarnold18 on Jan 11, 2011 15:04:38 GMT -5
I'm so sorry sweetie! I'll keep you, Monster and your family in my prayers....
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Post by Heather on Jan 11, 2011 16:33:36 GMT -5
I'm so sorry for you, that you have to make this decision. I will light a candle for Monster. Most of us have been where you are now, please know that we are thinking of you and of your sweet little boy ciao
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Post by miamiferret2 on Jan 11, 2011 20:36:24 GMT -5
So sorry. You are doing the right thing for him.
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Post by 3kaw on Jan 11, 2011 21:18:35 GMT -5
I'm so sorry. May he rest in peace pain free. I'm sorry you have to make this decision.
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Post by sherrylynne on Jan 12, 2011 11:20:01 GMT -5
This is a horrible decision to have to make, but sometimes we have to. I am so sorry he's reached this point, and will be keeping you and Monster in my thoughts.
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Post by AnimalFarm2006 on Jan 12, 2011 13:30:51 GMT -5
The one thing that got me hard was that I had just spent the past few weeks researching the end to help get an idea of where he is in the disease. And than he just went down sunday. I did call the vet and was getting the diaoxide ordered. I had called for ulcer meds and was going to pick some up.
But...just the sounds he made, the walking, and he isolated himself from the others. It made just holding him painfull. I thought orignaly that he would get seizures, liver problems, and just everything I have read.
Can someone make one of those passages about him going over the bridge? He wouldn't meet any of my ferrets but I had to let go two old hamsters, hammie x2, Jaz,Tiger,Ellanore the guinea girls, Sam, Sneeker, the cats. Sneeking having been put down at only a year old. And brandy my old goldie.
Right now I am trying to get over the feeling of waking up and thinking about giving monny his medicine. I might post something in the rainbow bridge in a few days. I burried him over a hill wrapped in his pocket book bag I bought at the ferret show to carry him around in comfort.
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