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Post by sherrylynne on Jan 4, 2011 23:24:21 GMT -5
I'd have been sorely tempted to make some sort of extremely outrageous comment, just to see the look on his face
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Post by vkp23 on Jan 9, 2011 5:24:38 GMT -5
OMG I can't stand stupid people who know NOTHING of dog breeds. Pit's are NOT killers. The reason they are used as fighting dogs is because they were bred (along with boxers, dobermans etc.) as guard dogs and had it bread into them to be loyal to their master to the death. A pit will fight to the death to please it's master. They will also die to protect them. Heck they were used as baby sitters back in the day. There are no "bad dogs", just bad owners who lack in providing proper training and/or nutrition. I read that large breed dogs have a higher chance of becoming aggressive because of the diets they are fed. muscle (including the brain) end up growing faster than the bones and cause brain damage. This has been linked to (say it with me) FEEDING KIBBLE! Too many grains and thus sugars that dogs don't need and shouldn't have are causing brain damage. Feeding any carnivorous pet a natural raw diet is the bet way to go in preventing the countless illnesses that have been linked to feeding kibbles.
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Post by bluemoose on Jan 9, 2011 6:12:01 GMT -5
I heard the whole thing about pits brains growing too large for their skulls and making them go crazy was a myth. Don't get me wrong, kibble is bad in just about every way but I've never heard of it making a dog aggressive. If that were the case, all large breeds, not just pits, would have higher incidents of attack.
Personally I think the number of pit related attacks are caused A. because many of the people who keep pits do so because they have a tough persona. The dogs are often left outside, chained (which has been shown to increase aggression), and unsocialized. B. because so many people keep pits. The higher number of dogs of any breed, the more attacks will be reported by that breed. And C. because the media loves to jump all over a story about a pit attacking someone. Somehow "Poodle Attacks Baby" just doesn't have the same effect.
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Post by vkp23 on Jan 9, 2011 6:46:07 GMT -5
I heard the whole thing about pits brains growing too large for their skulls and making them go crazy was a myth. Don't get me wrong, kibble is bad in just about every way but I've never heard of it making a dog aggressive. If that were the case, all large breeds, not just pits, would have higher incidents of attack. Personally I think the number of pit related attacks are caused A. because many of the people who keep pits do so because they have a tough persona. The dogs are often left outside, chained (which has been shown to increase aggression), and unsocialized. B. because so many people keep pits. The higher number of dogs of any breed, the more attacks will be reported by that breed. And C. because the media loves to jump all over a story about a pit attacking someone. Somehow "Poodle Attacks Baby" just doesn't have the same effect. Oh yeah I agree with with. I didn't know for sure if it was true or not I just know that's what I read when researching dif dog breeds I was interested in. I can't remember which site it was on other wise I would link it to you. There is a lot of false info that floats around on the net, just like what we are talking about here with ferrets being aggressive if fed a raw diet. And the media does hype things up where it suits them. I actually have heard of poodles attacking but that doesn't sound as juicy as pit attacks. But I think bottom line is bad owners.
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Post by Heather on Jan 9, 2011 12:08:56 GMT -5
I've never heard of it with pitts but it does happen with the king charles spaniels. It's a horrible, horrible way to die, leading to severe pain, anxiety eventually convulsions and death. It's caused they think by the desire to breed for tiny, delicate heads and very pushed in faces. That whole pushed in, snub face has caused more grief in both cats and dogs than just about any other "bred fad". I believe it's also spread to a couple of the other spaniel breeds that didn't originally have that shortened face but have developed it (through selective breeding). The cocker spaniel is another. I suppose it could be an issue with the pitts but breeders tend to want them with these monster wide heads, so I'm not sure that's an issue ciao
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Post by bluemoose on Jan 9, 2011 14:17:01 GMT -5
Yeah Syringomyelia. I watched that anti-AKC video with the King Charles Spaniels. I'm not against showing dogs or properly breeding them but when you know your dog has a crippling genetic disease and you still breed it dozens of times, you have no soul.
And yes, I think at least a few dogs of every breed have been known to attack. Including "family dogs" like Golden Retrievers and Labs. These are just less interesting to the general public, many of whom view pits as the devil in a dog's body. If any other breed attacks a baby they see it as just being a freak accident. If a pit does it, it's proof they're evil.
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Post by miamiferret2 on Jan 9, 2011 15:55:08 GMT -5
my ferret is much calmer he does not bite at all but he did bite when we brought him home. I think that young ferrets bite if they are hungry. Any ferret at the pet stores, shelters etc is being fed cheaper kibble and the are usually not properly nourished. Seems to me that on high quality kibble and/or raw they fill up and dont need to eat as much.
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Post by miamiferret2 on Jan 9, 2011 16:08:20 GMT -5
You all are going to think I'm nuts. I have a border collie that we found 4 years ago wandering in our neighborhood. He wad 20 pounds underweight skin and bones etc. Anyway, we rescued him. VERY intelligent dog from the first day we found him. He has been eating raw freeze dried and fresh raw meats for about 13 months. I really think that he is so much more alert than he was before. I think the raw diet made him more intelligent!! He learns things now that have just amazed me. I wonder if that is possible. Pit bulls are illegal in the county that I live in. they just get a bad rap everywhere. I think people are irresponsible and teach them to be aggressive. You can teach a poodle to be aggressive!
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Post by Heather on Jan 9, 2011 16:43:33 GMT -5
Malnutrition can cause the brain to shut down various components to preserve energy. Why do you think everyone is about getting the proper nutrition into young children. That's why there are those programs in schools.. breakfast and lunch programs that are supported by the community for underpriviledged children. A good nutritional base will allow your brain to function at a higher level. Pitts are illegal in my province too We just call them labs The dog that bites the most humans in our area...golden retrievers. ciao
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Post by bluemoose on Jan 9, 2011 16:46:25 GMT -5
I'm willing to bet it's because there are a lot of Goldens kept in your area. They're extremely sweet dogs but any dog has the potential to bite. Having a dog that's known to be good with children can be double edged sword because people are less careful with them.
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Post by sherrylynne on Jan 10, 2011 10:13:23 GMT -5
Heather, to be honest, that's the reason we didn't move there when we had the chance a few years back. We had a very sweet AmStaff, named Mia. 10 years old at the time the breed ban came into effect.
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Post by Heather on Jan 10, 2011 23:21:32 GMT -5
Breed bans are stupid.....brought about by idiotic bureaucrats who know nothing. If you want to ban anything ban stupidity.... They've already proven that the ban accomplished nothing... ciao
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Post by sereena on Jan 11, 2011 0:06:06 GMT -5
well we just got our first ferret and can`t wait till she is eating "fast food" such as mice : ) LOL But in all seriousness, feeding raw food to dogs, cats and personally I like rare to med-rare steak myself, does not make them blood thirsty. We raise cattle and our working dogs eat after birth (so that sounds gross0 and if we an old cow or even young one die, which happens time to time, our dogs and cats feed on them in the far area of the farm about 1/2 mile for the house. This does not make the dogs want to kill any calves and they do their jump..chase the coyotes away from a calving cow or a foaling mare. After 4 weeks, our baby girl (ferret) does not bit fingers or toes..unless in socks of course but she was easliy train or told not to. Our momma cat (old barn cat) lives in the house now and has 2 kitties 9okay not kitties, they are 4 months old) and she brings them mice and she does not bother our ferret at all. Even licks her and lets her snuffle the teats when the very spoiled kittens suckle. Honestly don`t know if that would be good for "Lola"..drinking cat milk.... As to pit bulls. Give me a break. There are good and bad in every breed of animals, encluding people. it is how they are raised. The only time I was bit by a pit bull, which a nieghbour owned was when I was pulling porkunpine quills from his mouth and nose. I yelled, he let go and once finished I was almost "murdered" by his darn licks! Darn that dog could slobber! Mind you not the best dog for herding cattle but he was what he was..look MEAN but would help a thielf steal something then stop them..sadly he did pass away at 12 years of age. Our ferret was raised on marshell`s feed and born oct 1st of this year..she will eat the cats` food but hates what she was started on when we got her. I have seen her chewing with the cats on a turkey breast ( I deborned to smoke) and gave it as a treat to the inside momma and her kittens. But other wise, our Lola doesn`t seem to want to eat any cut up and put in her cage. But she`s healthy, spunky and loves to snuggle and chase/rassle with the kittens. I can not see live without a ferret now!
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Post by littleferretowner on Jan 11, 2011 16:12:45 GMT -5
I may not know much about feeding raw/whole prey yet, but i'm pretty sure that is false
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