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Post by mustelidmusk on Nov 23, 2010 9:29:08 GMT -5
Ooooooo..........Nachos.....I love them to. I never eat them since they're high calorie and I have no metabolism and I get no exercise Here's hoping the "high-risk" foods do well with the reishi and pancreatin. -jennifer
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Post by katt on Nov 24, 2010 1:17:29 GMT -5
He did have some mice the other night, which he might have stashed, and earlier today, he ate the runt baby mouse (5 weeks old) but otherwise he had buffalo and turkey with some lamb, reishi, and pancreatin. Not too bad... I posted pics in the poop thread lol
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Post by katt on Nov 24, 2010 3:24:40 GMT -5
I think that tomorrow I will try Koda on some chicken, instead of the beef. I'll just give him lamb and supplements tonight (and maybe a mouse in the morning) to reset his belly. If I can figure out if he can have chicken, then that will make things easier. *crosses fingers* If he can have chicken, I can put him and little Kenai in the same cage a lot sooner. If not, then I will have to set up separate feeding times or something so that Kenai can have some chickens...
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Post by mustelidmusk on Nov 24, 2010 9:29:58 GMT -5
Remeber, both Koda and Kennai my have some stress poops as they are both adjusting the excitement and change of their new living arrangements. Keep the amount of "difficult foods" for Koda in smaller amounts. Getting a new baby brother is just the kind of stress/excitement that could upset Koda's tummy. Stress does not have to be "bad stress". It can be fun and excitement as well.
-jennifer
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Post by katt on Nov 24, 2010 11:06:14 GMT -5
So should I hold off on testing chicken? And it could be a good or a bad stress...Koda still doesn't know what to think. All night he was being way more Snuggly than usual and kelt giving me pathetic looks. Lol if having a baby around makes Koda more Snuggly I'll be quite pleased...
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Post by mustelidmusk on Nov 24, 2010 11:46:44 GMT -5
It's probably good to hold off on the chicken for a while.
If Koda is clinging to you and being really snuggly, he's stressing out. I'm sure he's a mixed bag of emotions right now....he loves having a little brother, but he's probably worried about what life will be like having this new little brat around all the time - will his mommy still love him and play with him? will this new little brat take all his toys?
Koda will need extra attention right now. He needs to be reassured that his is still his mommy's little baby and that's NOT going to change!
The only time my current brats have had poop issues is when I brought Shaman home. But Shaman was (and still is) a big beefy and ultra-hyper, overly rambunctious and completely wild & crazy nut case.
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Post by katt on Nov 24, 2010 18:37:48 GMT -5
Yeah, we have been giving Koda lots of extra loves so he doesn't feel replaced. And you were right - his poops this morning were normal colored, but very runny. When his poops stabilize again, then will it be ok to try chicken?
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Post by mustelidmusk on Nov 24, 2010 18:52:09 GMT -5
yes. once Koda gets back to his "happy tummy" state, you can try chicken.
And if his stools are runny - it's probably stress poops, but you want to keep him from getting a serious flare-up. put him on the foods that work best for him with some pumpkin and ground flax or ground egg shell will add a little roughage (similar to fur). pancreatic enzymes on the meat should help with absorption. Reishi may also benefit him as well. If you have any probiotics (the best kind are refrigerated), you can add a pinch as well.
Now might be a good time to be diligent with recording input and output since I expect Koda will be going through a bit of a flare-up. We ant to keep it from escalating into a trip to the vet.
-jennifer
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Post by katt on Nov 24, 2010 21:53:35 GMT -5
Koda's poop already looks waay more "normal!" Should I give some slippery elm? If so, how much?
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Post by Heather on Nov 24, 2010 23:48:06 GMT -5
I would be tempted to add some rescue remedy to their water. Both boys could use the leveling off that is offered by rescue remedy. By removing the excess stress asap, you can stabilize Koda's poops and get going with your food assessments. Remember even fun is stressful ciao
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Post by katt on Nov 25, 2010 1:12:55 GMT -5
Yes I agree. But the problem is, I keep forgetting to get some! The place that has it is across town, near Shane's house and I always forget to stop on my way over.
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Post by sherrylynne on Nov 25, 2010 10:07:38 GMT -5
Do what I do- make yourself a "sticky note", and put it on your steering wheel when you get in the car That way, I can't miss whatever it is I'm supposed to be doing
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Post by mustelidmusk on Nov 25, 2010 12:35:38 GMT -5
for the next couple of feedings, I would maintain what you're doing now.
We'll then evaluate the need for slippery elm. Even though the tummy is a little upset, it has probably not had the opportunity to become inflamed. If after two more feedings, the stool is getting worse, add the slippery elm. Anything that coats the tummy will block absorption. I'm hoping that the reishi will provide an anti-inflammatory effect through immune system modulation rather than by coating the tummy.
Fingers crossed. So far, Koda has responded very well without the need for pred.
Also, please keep in mind that most ferrets will get stress poops when a new ferret is introduced. All 4 of mine were messed up for a while when Shaman came home... thought Shaman brought something to my household, but after doing fecals and cultures on all 4, we found that each fert had different concentrations of bacteria - i.e., opportunistic flare-ups due to stress.
Good nutrition and LOTS of sleep help during stress. So let's see if we can manage this without a tummy coater.
-Jennifer
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Post by katt on Nov 25, 2010 18:31:36 GMT -5
Looks much much better already! Pics posted in the poop thread. lol
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Post by mustelidmusk on Nov 25, 2010 19:34:48 GMT -5
Katt, this is wonderful - I already checked out the pics - this is all very encouraging. If you want to be conservative, you might want to wait until after the next feeding and add a little chicken if the results are good.....then again, if you want to try to add a little with this next meal, he may be able to handle it just fine. Worst case, he gets a bad day and you back off to something he handles well. I do recommend continuing with the supplements for at least for the next several days. I assume Koda and Kenai are both getting 4 days of being spoiled rotten with the holiday weekend......The boys are going to cry when you return to your regular schedule . the foraging cup will help a bit - especially the light green transparent one....set it up so it's easily "triggered" for the first couple of days....then start making it a little harder to open a little at a time. My brats love these things. The open them just for fun when nothing's in them. -jennifer
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