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Post by joolissa on Aug 12, 2010 15:01:17 GMT -5
That is both shocking and not surprising at the same time. I like the HSUS less and less the more I hear. Really, it doesn't make sense to me how any "authority" on animals can possibly promote the exact opposite diet that an animal needs, especially when it's scientific classification is a carnivore! Do they think they know better than nature? Don't they think that wolves would be hunting squash and berries and carrots instead of elk if they could be vegans? Tigers start eating bamboo and all that.. good grief. I mean, it's more understandable that they would promote a "meat based kibble", but a vegan one?
Is the SPCA as bad as HSUS? they seem to be better from what I know about them, but I could be wrong.
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Post by horse656 on Aug 12, 2010 15:02:21 GMT -5
wow.
that's surprising that a shelter would agree with something bad for the animals.
i think the only way the dogs can be on it is because they can adapt to stuff, and they have an organ that they can handle SOME plants.
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Post by Heather on Aug 12, 2010 15:09:13 GMT -5
It's all about politics   . ciao |
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Post by sherrylynne on Aug 12, 2010 17:54:38 GMT -5
Just an FYI, and I'm going to search to find the link- but here's a picture from a medical text of a ferret who was fed a vegetarian diet for quite a while. It took a bit to find the pic, but here it is:  |
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Post by sherrylynne on Aug 12, 2010 18:04:22 GMT -5
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Post by Emilee on Aug 12, 2010 20:46:54 GMT -5
*sigh* The whole point of eating a vegetarian diet is to save lives and prevent animal cruelty.... feeding a carnivore a vegetarian diet does NOT prevent animal cruelty- it causes it!
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Post by ferretfreke on Aug 12, 2010 22:07:30 GMT -5
Man, the HSUS supporting a vegan/vegetarian kibble for carnivores is worse than all the vets being brainwashed into thinking Hill's/Science Diet is quality pet food.
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Post by joolissa on Aug 12, 2010 22:30:06 GMT -5
That picture is so sad!!! =( The poor fuzzbutt
And I agree about the HSUS vs Vet science diet thing.
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Post by zoologist on Aug 13, 2010 0:40:35 GMT -5
Man, the HSUS supporting a vegan/vegetarian kibble for carnivores is worse than all the vets being brainwashed into thinking Hill's/Science Diet is quality pet food. not brainwashed. just paid lotsa $$$$ to pretend to be brainwashed. everything is based around money! |
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Post by Emilee on Aug 13, 2010 9:26:13 GMT -5
Man, the HSUS supporting a vegan/vegetarian kibble for carnivores is worse than all the vets being brainwashed into thinking Hill's/Science Diet is quality pet food. not brainwashed. just paid lotsa $$$$ to pretend to be brainwashed. everything is based around money! For sure! My vet convinced my mom to put our dog on Hill's C/D ( I tried everything to stop her but no) and now my dog has a really bad corn allergy. At least my mom listens to me now when it comes to pet food. *sigh* |
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Post by zoologist on Aug 13, 2010 11:41:39 GMT -5
Yes, my mom's vet put her cat on some special obesity reducing furball relieving itch stopping Bullsh!t food and her cat proceeded to get fatter, furbally-er and itch non stop. She got the food because the vet told her to and because the vet gets commission. I've switched her over to a holistic cat food and her baby is doing MUCH better.
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Post by 1 on Aug 13, 2010 13:36:23 GMT -5
I only read the first Page, I'll catch up soon enough. Yes, very! I once believed vegetarians where not capable of loving anything that eats mean, neither lion, nor meerkat, spider, or crocodile! (I mean the religious kind by the way.) I have learned from forums like this one I was very wrong! both man and beast can be a veggie persons friend. Now I see this, the cause of my former belief, finding their are veggie people who don't truly love carnivores! Its not only angering, but very confusing. |
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Post by 1 on Aug 13, 2010 21:57:07 GMT -5
I read, and agree with everything written! Especially the part about it being more cruel to force a carnivore to be vegetarian then to be omnivores and not chose not to eat meat! Just an FYI, and I'm going to search to find the link- but here's a picture from a medical text of a ferret who was fed a vegetarian diet for quite a while. It took a bit to find the pic, but here it is: Can I see the after picture? I forgot what else I was going to say, but I think I know why this is happening!  Of course I'm not allowed to tell you on this forum! Lets just say, the movement will be very strong, and their already targeting man too! Just like predicted thosends of years ago! |
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Post by comadrejaloquita14 on Jan 25, 2011 14:53:02 GMT -5
Not sure if this should be here or in Odds & Ends (since it doesn't directly reference ferrets), but I stumbled across this book in an amazon search. I took a look at it because I thought it might be interesting, but instead it has me fuming! I mean no disrespect to vegetarians or vegans, especially since I know we have a few on here who do feed raw, but this is even worse than kibble in my opinion. Obligate Carnivore: Cats, Dogs, and What it Really Means to be Vegan tiny.cc/vvuhcHere's the description: Not only provides a definitive answer to the controversial question "Can cats be vegan?" (they can!), but through examples, philosophical musings, and personal stories, explains why those in the ethical vegan community MUST feed their cats and dogs a vegan diet! Discusses relative merits of meat vs. vegan diets from a number of perspectives (ethical, health, environmental, etc.), and gives practical advice for making a successful switch for your cats and dogs. Reading the longer review and some of the customer reviews was even worse. There were a few people who stood up and said it was "dangerously misguided", but they were the minority. Am I missing something or do you guys agree? Have you ever come across this type of thinking "in person"? Also, this makes me think, are there any recommended reading books for raw feeding a prey based model/whole prey diet to your pets? I breezed through ferrets for dummies and wasn't really impressed. I'd love to pick up a few more books on raw feeding and natural pet/ferret care. - Jools From ages 11-19 I was a vegetarian, I am 22 now and I am still paying for it. I have psorasis, eczema and rosecea on my scalp, ears, neck, and face.... I have weak bones, weak joints, weak teeth, brittle nails, brittle/thin hair and anemia all of these issues are rooted in/stemmed from the fact that I didn't take careful note of exact nutritional amounts when i was a vegetarian--- and I am not even an obligate carnivore! I couldnt even imagine what a cat, ferret or dog would suffer on a vegan diet. The only thing i think when I see this stuff is: If you want to deprive yourself of a well rounded healthy diet, fine- cool beans- you are an omnivore... do not force it on/do it to ur obligate carnivorepets please people! Some people want so badly to be this "pure" and "peaceful" entity that they cant see the damage they are inflicting until its too late. If you want a vegan/vegetarian pet, get an herbavore like a bunny or a bird or something. |
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