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Post by Heather on Mar 25, 2010 23:03:07 GMT -5
I would seriously suggest posting this on ferrethealth and getting the vets there to interpret these readings. What does your vet say? and what does he suggest? It seems to me that you've got some really low numbers on a couple of those results but I'm not a vet and I would suggest getting a professional to interpret these numbers for you. ciao
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Post by AnimalFarm2006 on Mar 30, 2010 9:55:08 GMT -5
I posted it, and they made me google up a list of articles. ^.^ I found some information, wrote it down, and googled words I did not know.
Dingo is going to go in for a blood test hopefuly next week when I figure out what days I am working. I may even slip him in tomorow. MAYBE.
From what I read- normal is 90. Border line scare is 85. and anything under 60 is concidered insulinoma. Dingo is 65.
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Post by sherrylynne on Mar 30, 2010 20:16:03 GMT -5
I think I'd be doing a couple more tests. He's low enough to be considered insulinomic. From what I understand, it's anything below 70.
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Post by Heather on Mar 30, 2010 22:33:52 GMT -5
That's my opinion too. I was fairly sure when you posted the numbers but I didn't want to form an opinion and send you off thinking one thing and it being something else. That's why I thought it would be better for you to check with ferrethealth. I would get another blood test done to see where that one lies. This should just be for a blood sugar. ciao
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Post by AnimalFarm2006 on Apr 6, 2010 13:30:25 GMT -5
Thanks for doing that. My teacher does the same thing for our biology work. It helps us think more by ourselves than getting an answer. It worked. ^.^
I am going to the vet tomorow for dingo's blood work. I also need more milk thisle, and a second type of medicine.
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Post by AnimalFarm2006 on Apr 8, 2010 7:02:04 GMT -5
Dingo had another test done today. His glucose was 66. His last glucose was 67. Do you think he is just boarder line for the disease?
He also had a test done on his urine after he pee'd on the vet. They had an issue with finding a vein on him saying that he may be anemic. Why would he be anemic?
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Post by sherrylynne on Apr 8, 2010 18:21:41 GMT -5
I believe 70 is borderline, and anything under that is considered a positive diagnoses. No idea about the anemia, though
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Post by AnimalFarm2006 on Apr 8, 2010 22:21:15 GMT -5
I'll post in the ferret health to see what they say about it. Dingo's health issues seem to keep pilling up on me.
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Post by AnimalFarm2006 on Apr 12, 2010 10:01:18 GMT -5
The ferret health didn't realy answer me. I got one post back saying that something that low is concidered insulminoma in quots from some link that would not open for me.
So..I am trying to look around for a better vet. I'll give woodbridge a call and see how much their lupron is and visit.
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Post by mustelidmusk on Apr 12, 2010 22:26:18 GMT -5
Regardig the glucose values, were your ferrets fasted for 4-6 hours (under veterinary supervision) before the blood draw? If your ferrets had eaten before their appointment, the test results may cover up insulioma. Another thing i noticed is that the ALT (liver) value looks really high. This can cause lower blood sugar i ferrets as well. The bloodwork seems to be missing quite a few values, whichmakes diagnosis a difficult. You need to have a Complete Blood Count (CBC) witha chemistry pael. A fastig test will revea blood sugar issues more clearly. But you need to work with your vet to determine the length of the fast.
-jennifer
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Post by AnimalFarm2006 on Apr 14, 2010 12:44:34 GMT -5
No he wasn't fasted. I thought fasting a ferret that might be insulimona was dangerous? So today was scary. RELAY scary. I let everyone out, made break feast for myself, and than sat down at my computer to fix a few issues. I kept hearing someone Squeaking over the board, so I looked over expecting to see Dakota being terrorized by the boys. Instead I saw monster standing just gazing away. He was shaking, and just wasn't looking too good. I launched over the board and nudged him to see what was up. He kind of flopped over, and had an issue getting up. My automatic instinct was " He's low on sugar! " You guys taught me well on the signs of this disease. I did not have anything in the house but hungry jack pancake syrup. But I wiped that stuff out anyway, and started to put some on his gums. Mom asked what I was doing, and I commented on how he wasn't acting normal. I have to admit that I panicked. He was really limp, kind of cold. I gave him some more syrup, and than packed him into a carrier, grabbed food, and what ever ferret was waiting for me, lelloo. By this time I was crying, yes..I was bawling because I did not know what was going on with my buddy. My mom was saying he had a stroke, and told me to not crash. I kind of knew what was going on, but It still scared me. i have never seen monster so limp before. SOOO. I rushed to the vet, going 60 on curvy back roads, and chancing a ticket. The vet takes takes him in, who by now is looking normal, sitting up, walking, etc, and takes his glucose level. He was at 44 so they gave him something for his sugar. The vet said I probable saved his life by giving him the syrup. Than the female vet prescribed some pred stuff. He has to have it at 0.6 cc once a day. My new question now is how do I deal with this disease differently than a healthy ferret? Food- Can he still be changed to raw? Sugar- Do i need to get the meter that most people use for ferrets? Walks- Can he still go to car shows with me and not have an issue? Thanks a ton
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Post by sherrylynne on Apr 14, 2010 18:33:24 GMT -5
Good for you for acting so quickly!!! You did indeed help him. But instead of pancake syrup, pick up some karo syrup. And some chicken baby food. If he ever crashes again(that's what happened), rub some karo on his gums, and 20 minutes later, feed him the meat baby food to stabilize him. The syrup will cause his sugar to spike quickly(which you want), but he'll crash again pretty quickly without the protein to settle everything. Yes, he can still be switched to raw, in fact it will help a great deal, but he can never be more than a couple of hours without food. You should definitely pick up a meter, to keep track of where he's at BG wise. Take it into the vet's next time you're there, and compare it to their's, so you know how much of a difference there is between the two meters. That way, your vet has a better idea of what's happening with him, and so do you. As for traveling, always take his prednisolone, along with the karo and meat baby food, plus whatever he's eating normally. He needs very high protein food now. If not raw, then something like Evo, or Wellness Core. Even better than those kibbles would be freeze dried raw, like Wysong's Archetypal 1 ferret, or Stella and Chewey's.
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Post by AnimalFarm2006 on Apr 14, 2010 20:30:34 GMT -5
Okay so he is going to be switched to raw asap. I feed them purina naturals at the moment, but before all these issues i had planned to start them on a better food. How do you feed raw without having stashing problems? I read that the free glucosameter is the best, so I will look into getting one. Ebay is my best freind! Dingo is going to the vet tomorow.
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Post by Heather on Apr 14, 2010 23:18:54 GMT -5
Good luck, keep us posted ciao
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Post by AnimalFarm2006 on Apr 16, 2010 12:06:56 GMT -5
Dingo's One sick boy. I took him to woodbridge yesterday for his lupron shot, and came out with a blood test, meds, and ?'s over why his liver ezmes was off the scale. The vet at wood bridge is awesome. He's a ferret expert that's not expensive at all. When I got home, I noticed he did not even charge me for the test to look at his liver. 84.96 is what I spent at the place for lupron, visit, and meds. This vet was realy into dingo as well. He looked at his eyes, his teeth for age, felt his belly, much more than the other vet. He also said that he was most likely around 5-6 yrs of age. Dingo's glucose levels weren't much of a worry, but he was puzzled at his liver. He ended up going back to read a book, or something to figure out it. So..Dingo's on Ulcer meds, and a pill I crush up for him before meals. oh..and a adrenal surgery is aroung 500 for him + he does the insulinoma along with it for free. I have lots of saving to do. Question- Does insulinoma cure the issue, or just prolong it?
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