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Post by Forum Administrator on Jun 15, 2008 21:03:52 GMT -5
That I announce the passing of poor baby Chaos (quill's fuzzbutt). Little Chaos died suddenly after a sudden refusal to eat. He went downhill very fast. His decline shocked and suprised both me and his mommy. At the time, Chaos was making the transition to a raw diet (and was eating a raw soupie). However, both Trina (Chao's mom) and myself do not feel that a raw diet contributed in any way to his sudden death. I thought long and hard about what could have caused his decline. Pancreatitis, Salmonella, Hypoglycemia, Starvation, Dehydration, and bloackages were all considered, but Chao's condition and symptoms did not match ANY of these diseases. Our only lead is that perhaps the earmite medication that Chaos was given a week ago caused problems that led to his sudden death (see below) but we arent even sure about that: ferretopia.proboards51.com/index.cgi?board=1&action=display&thread=3482Both Trina and I are shocked and devestated at the loss of Chaos. Trina handled Chaos with expertise when he started to decline. She fed him soup every 4 hours, and added pedialyte to the soup mixture. Chaos was loved dearly by his mommy. She loved him so much that she decided to try her best to give him the best diet possible so that he would live a healthy life. Chaos is gone, but not forgotten. He will live in Trina's memories and heart. Trina asked me to tell everyone about Chaos. She would have done so herself, but is (understandably) too heartbroken to repeat the news again. Please keep her (and Chaos) in your thoughts and prayers. Chaos, you lived a short life, but you were loved SO very much by your mommy, and by people that you didnt ever get to meet. Wait for mommy at the rainbow bridge. She misses you terribly. Please be there and watch over her as she mourns your loss. You will be missed terribly little man. Dook on!
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Post by meli on Jun 15, 2008 21:19:05 GMT -5
I just got chills. Ya I wouldn't think any disease or even Salmonella to drain him so quickly. There's got to be something to do with his meds. he was on. He was such a doll. I'm so very sorry!!! little angel RIP
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Post by tss on Jun 15, 2008 23:08:17 GMT -5
Trina, I'm so sorry for your loss. A couple months ago I lost Jill, she also went very quickly. I also don't think raw could have had anything to do with loosing Chaos, there had to have been something underlying.
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Post by buzzonesbirdie on Jun 16, 2008 6:35:59 GMT -5
I am also very sorry to hear about her loss--when we lost Xena she also went very fast. In her case we believe that it was her kidneys. Again I am very sorry for your loss
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Post by jojodancer on Jun 16, 2008 11:35:22 GMT -5
Dear, sweet, crazy Chaos. Perfect name for a treasured ferret. You know he is causing some chaos up at the rainbow bridge, dooking and dancing with other ferrets as he waits for you to join him.
Do you plan on having a necropsy?
When Casey died, we decided to do a necropsy. We discovered that it wasn't really the insulinoma that killed him, but that his liver had just given out. It had died. It just couldn't keep working any more. Without that knowledge, my husband and I would have been second guessing for the rest of our lives: should we have been giving higher doeses of pred - he was only on .25cc of 1mg/1ml suspension twice a day? Should we have demanded prednilisone instead of prednisone? Should we have been pretreating with pepcid a/d before feeding and giving the meds? Should we have been using diazoxide, too? Should we have been trying to feed every 4 hours (get a caretaker in to do it) instead of every 8 hours? But no, none of those things would have mattered, since Casey's liver just stopped working.
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Post by quill on Jun 16, 2008 11:48:25 GMT -5
No, Chaos is buried in the flower garden. But I do plan on researching the injection that he received before he died.
thanks for all your thoughts and prayers.
Chaos will forever be missed...he was only a baby, 3 months old but won our hearts like no other.
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Post by Jaycee on Jun 16, 2008 17:11:39 GMT -5
Oh, I am so, so sorry for you loss. My heart stopped when I read what had happened. I am very glad that he had such a wonderful home, and a loving mom. It was your love that helped him to cross over to the bridge, and your love will bring you two together again. You and Chaos will be in all of our thoughts and prayers.
Again, I am so very sorry!
Jen
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Post by mustelidmusk on Jun 16, 2008 20:27:35 GMT -5
I'm so, so terribly sorry to hear about Chaos. This is tragic news. I reviewed the entire thread about Chaos to see what injection he was given. The Promectin is a form of Ivermectin, which is sometimes used to treat ear mites. As with possibly all medications, some ferrets do have reactions to ivermectin, and some of those reactions can be extreme. Reactions can happen days after a medication has been administered. So, it's possible that Chaos may have had a severe reaction to the injection.
Again, I'm very sorry to hear about what has happened. With deepest sympathy, -jennifer
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Post by Heather on Jun 17, 2008 11:17:57 GMT -5
I'm so sorry to hear about Chaos. Run free little one, your next great adventure is only just beginning. A candle will be lit in his honour and to guide him on his journey. Giuli, I can't access the original link, could you possibly email me with what in particular you were treating and what the med was? I'm very curious as on a list where I moderate we've had cats go into complete renal failure using an ear mite medication. You can email me privately if you wish. Ciao
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Post by Forum Administrator on Jun 17, 2008 16:31:50 GMT -5
Chaos got an injection of 1% promectin I believe. Here is what was in the link:
"No other symptoms. Just won't eat. He is drinking...going to water bowl on his own. He won't drink pedialyte but I am using that in his soup. I am feeding with syringe every 4 hours. He puts up a good fight, but won't eat on his own. He is pooping. Not alot, but not skinny or watery even. I see no symptoms of blockage other than not eating. He is peeing. I switch to the slippy pads and no litter so I could tell if he was pee and poo.
The vet gave him a shot of promectin for his severe ear mites Thurs and he really hasn't been the same since. But it has been a whole week and he was eating until yesterday.
At first I thought he was being stubborn because we are trying to switch him to raw...but he won't even eat his kibble. Yesterday morning he would lick moist kibble off my finger, but by afternoon we had to use the syringe."
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Post by amyandfuzzies6 on Jun 18, 2008 15:56:30 GMT -5
Our deepest sympathies and gentle journey Chaos. ;D The symptoms of this 17 week old sound like they may match Promectin (Ivermectin) neurotoxicity. I came across some abstracts indicating that Ivermectin can cause neurotoxicity if the animal has a defect in the blood-brain barrier. A ferret so young (17 weeks), still developing and growing??? I don't know when the blood-brain barrier is established or if this little fert may have had a defect in the blood-brain barrier. www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=511012The earliest indication that ivermectin neurotoxicity was caused by a defect in the blood–brain barrier came from an observation that affected dogs had elevated concentrations of ivermectin in the CNS (12) www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=2147658 www.freepatentsonline.com/6790621.html www.ajtmh.org/cgi/content/full/73/5/911The major side effect of ivermectin is neurotoxicity that usually manifests in animals and humans as mydriasis, ataxia, tremors, and emesis, followed by lethargy, coma, and death.6,7,24–26
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Post by quill on Jun 18, 2008 20:41:59 GMT -5
Our deepest sympathies and gentle journey Chaos. ;D The symptoms of this 17 week old sound like they may match Promectin (Ivermectin) neurotoxicity. I came across some abstracts indicating that Ivermectin can cause neurotoxicity if the animal has a defect in the blood-brain barrier. A ferret so young (17 weeks), still developing and growing??? I don't know when the blood-brain barrier is established or if this little fert may have had a defect in the blood-brain barrier. www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=511012The earliest indication that ivermectin neurotoxicity was caused by a defect in the blood–brain barrier came from an observation that affected dogs had elevated concentrations of ivermectin in the CNS (12) www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=2147658 www.freepatentsonline.com/6790621.html www.ajtmh.org/cgi/content/full/73/5/911The major side effect of ivermectin is neurotoxicity that usually manifests in animals and humans as mydriasis, ataxia, tremors, and emesis, followed by lethargy, coma, and death.6,7,24–26 Thank you for your kinds words and for the information. I am in the process of gathering all the information I can and making an appt with "the" vet. Chaos had several of the symptoms: mydriasis, lethargy, coma, and death. I held Chaos close to my throat (he was deaf) and dooked to him while he was in a coma. He died within minutes.
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Post by kuuipo61606 on Jul 8, 2008 22:24:50 GMT -5
your story has me in tears. i'm so sorry for your loss. but this will only make you stronger. you had strength in Chaos and he will only make you stronger as days pass. celebrate his life, and not mourn his death. he was loved and will be missed very much. best wishes, Gina
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